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HC2HC Event – Scott Joslyn, CIO of UC Irvine

Questions answered in this episode

  1. How can UCI Health compete with Kaiser and Providence's consumer innovation capabilities?
  2. What specific patient experience problems should academic medical centers tackle first?
  3. How do you keep a new hospital from becoming outdated the day it opens?
  4. Can medical equipment shift from capital purchases to subscription services?
  5. Why does remembering patients matter more than most healthcare IT leaders realize?

About this episode

I caught up with Scott Joslyn, the CIO for UC Irvine. There is a wisdom that only comes from experience and Scott's decades of experience comes through in this conversation. I hope you enjoy.

Transcript

Bill Russell 00:00:03 Today in health, it, Bill Russell 00:00:04 Another one of our interviews and action. Bill Russell 00:00:05 This comes from the healthcare to healthcare event, which I was a guest Bill Russell 00:00:09 at from the serious health care team. Bill Russell 00:00:11 It was in Montana. Bill Russell 00:00:13 And I was able to sit down with a handful of CEOs. Bill Russell 00:00:16 And I'm going to share those with you here shortly. Bill Russell 00:00:19 My name is bill Russell. Bill Russell 00:00:20 I'm a former CIO for a 16 hospital system and creator of this week in health. Bill Russell 00:00:24 It. Bill Russell 00:00:24 A channel dedicated to keeping health it staff current and engaged. Bill Russell 00:00:28 I hope you're enjoying these interviews and action. Bill Russell 00:00:31 We were able to do these interviews at the health conference, the Bill Russell 00:00:34 chime conference, and now the healthcare to healthcare event. Bill Russell 00:00:37 I've really enjoyed doing them. Bill Russell 00:00:39 , just a reminder. Bill Russell 00:00:40 We're going to get back to our normal programming where I take Bill Russell 00:00:42 a new story, break it down. Bill Russell 00:00:44 And talk about why it matters to health. Bill Russell 00:00:46 It. Bill Russell 00:00:47 We're going to be doing that as soon as the interviews are done we have Bill Russell 00:00:51 done 10 from the chime conference eight from the health conference and Bill Russell 00:00:55 we have five from the healthcare to health care conference so i hope you Bill Russell 00:00:59 enjoy another one of these interviews Bill Russell 00:01:02 all right. Bill Russell 00:01:02 We're doing another interview from the healthcare to healthcare summit, a Bill Russell 00:01:06 serious event that is for their clients. Bill Russell 00:01:09 I'm here with Scott, Jocelyn, chief information officer Bill Russell 00:01:12 and chief innovation officer. Bill Russell 00:01:14 Correct. Bill Russell 00:01:14 Anything else we're going to add to that anytime Scott Joslyn 00:01:16 soon. Scott Joslyn 00:01:16 I don't want anything added to that. Scott Joslyn 00:01:18 It's fine. Scott Joslyn 00:01:18 The way it is Bill Russell 00:01:19 at a UCI. Bill Russell 00:01:21 So you made the move from Memorial care to UCI, Scott Joslyn 00:01:24 correct? Scott Joslyn 00:01:24 I've been at UCI health for almost two years. Scott Joslyn 00:01:28 And another couple of. Bill Russell 00:01:29 Two years, two years in a couple of weeks. Bill Russell 00:01:32 Wow. Bill Russell 00:01:32 Um, so what's what's top of mind. Bill Russell 00:01:35 I mean, there are two very, are they, similar systems Bill Russell 00:01:39 are very different systems. Bill Russell 00:01:41 They are once, once an academic medical center, once not an academic model, Scott Joslyn 00:01:45 Memorial care is a non-academic medical center, although Scott Joslyn 00:01:48 they train residents and the likes. Scott Joslyn 00:01:51 So, but they're not academic per se. Scott Joslyn 00:01:53 UCI medical center is an academic medical center. Scott Joslyn 00:01:56 It's got a school of medicine, the school of pharmacy school. Scott Joslyn 00:01:59 The school of public health, we educate, we produce physicians Scott Joslyn 00:02:04 and, um, residents and the like, Bill Russell 00:02:06 so do you find those two to be very distinct in terms Bill Russell 00:02:09 of the requirements of the role? Scott Joslyn 00:02:12 Well, I was always told that academic medical centers are more Scott Joslyn 00:02:15 complex than I think to some degree. Scott Joslyn 00:02:17 It's true. Scott Joslyn 00:02:18 Um, I found them to be somewhat more complex and at the same time, more Scott Joslyn 00:02:23 interesting, a more diverse, I really enjoy working with the faculty chairs. Scott Joslyn 00:02:28 It's great to know that there's a whole university, that's so much behind us, Scott Joslyn 00:02:32 but the schools of engineering and computer science, for example, produce Scott Joslyn 00:02:36 graduates that could be potential employees for us, but they're also Scott Joslyn 00:02:39 doing all kinds of incredible research, whether it's cyber security, um, in Scott Joslyn 00:02:44 particular researchers research on data. Scott Joslyn 00:02:47 So, um, one of our faculty physicians produced a predicted model with respect Scott Joslyn 00:02:53 to COVID the likelihood that a patient will end up on a vent for example. Scott Joslyn 00:02:56 And so that kind of thing happens, um, alongside regular ordinary care. Scott Joslyn 00:03:01 So I there's a lot of synergy. Scott Joslyn 00:03:04 Um, I think it's terrific. Bill Russell 00:03:06 And you guys are, you guys are building a new building. Scott Joslyn 00:03:08 We're building a new medical center, 145 bed facility Scott Joslyn 00:03:13 to open in four and a half. Scott Joslyn 00:03:15 It will be on the campus of the university. Scott Joslyn 00:03:17 So our president medical center, 420 beds soon to be four 60 is in the Scott Joslyn 00:03:22 city of orange, which is about 10 miles north of the university campus. Scott Joslyn 00:03:27 So four and a half years from now will be, um, two hospitals, not one. Scott Joslyn 00:03:31 And, um, there you Bill Russell 00:03:33 are. Bill Russell 00:03:34 Yeah. Bill Russell 00:03:34 And you're right in the middle of a very competitive market Bill Russell 00:03:37 in a competitive landscape. Bill Russell 00:03:39 I love the fact that you have the innovation officer. Bill Russell 00:03:42 And we actually face sort of similar challenges cause I was CIO in that Bill Russell 00:03:46 same market and you have some pretty advanced, um, innovation, it capabilities Bill Russell 00:03:52 around engagement around, uh, around the consumer, especially around the consumer. Bill Russell 00:03:57 I think both Kaiser and Providence have arms that are really focusing Bill Russell 00:04:01 on that consumer, that consumers. Bill Russell 00:04:03 Um, how, how are you viewing that? Bill Russell 00:04:05 How is, how is a UCI going to be able to offer your, your community, Bill Russell 00:04:11 that level of, uh, experience? Scott Joslyn 00:04:14 Well, I think it's a catch up game for us in many Scott Joslyn 00:04:18 respects, largely because Kaiser in particular, but also Providence. Scott Joslyn 00:04:23 Um, we're early, um, Providence has their incubator and Reverend Martin, and Scott Joslyn 00:04:27 they're just a very good organization. Scott Joslyn 00:04:29 And they've been at it for awhile. Scott Joslyn 00:04:31 I think the organization, they really laid things out well with Keiser. Scott Joslyn 00:04:37 Um, I mean, just look at their thrive program, what an Scott Joslyn 00:04:40 incredible label for something. Scott Joslyn 00:04:43 It was just a beautiful label as a brilliant piece of marketing and they Scott Joslyn 00:04:47 have, and they've been on epic now. Scott Joslyn 00:04:49 They sign their contract and not August of 2003, it took a little longer than Scott Joslyn 00:04:54 Memorial care to go live, but they've been live for decade and a half. Scott Joslyn 00:04:57 They have lots of. Scott Joslyn 00:04:59 And the very serious about it. Scott Joslyn 00:05:01 Um, they have lots of people working over the innovation space Scott Joslyn 00:05:04 and they, um, have focused on the experience of their members, not Scott Joslyn 00:05:09 even customers, but their members. Scott Joslyn 00:05:11 And they've done a lot to steer them, manage them, guide them, educate them. Scott Joslyn 00:05:16 And I think they set the bar. Scott Joslyn 00:05:18 So for, for me, I look at it as we need to be that good. Scott Joslyn 00:05:22 Um, um, and, and in some ways maybe do things that are different that are Scott Joslyn 00:05:25 unique to us as an academic model. Scott Joslyn 00:05:28 But they just execute exceptionally well. Scott Joslyn 00:05:30 So I admire them. Scott Joslyn 00:05:32 Um, and yes, they are. Scott Joslyn 00:05:33 They are certainly competitors. Scott Joslyn 00:05:34 We live in a very competitive space. Bill Russell 00:05:37 Do you break that experience down and say, okay, we're going to work Bill Russell 00:05:40 on this aspect of the experience that the basics, the blocking and tackling, Bill Russell 00:05:45 if you will, the, the communication between the clinician and the patient, Bill Russell 00:05:50 the communication around the scheduling, the communication around a procedure. Bill Russell 00:05:54 I mean, how do you, how do you break it down by. Bill Russell 00:05:56 Pretty big challenge, right? Bill Russell 00:05:58 Experience means a lot of things. Scott Joslyn 00:06:00 You, you need to, to break it apart into the pieces and Scott Joslyn 00:06:05 tackle the ones that matter to us from an operational standpoint, but more Scott Joslyn 00:06:09 importantly, the ones that matter to the patient and access is a problem. Scott Joslyn 00:06:13 Getting an appointment is a problem. Scott Joslyn 00:06:15 Communicate with your providers, the problem. Scott Joslyn 00:06:17 So all of those represent an area of activity, even, um, consents or Scott Joslyn 00:06:22 video visits or a remote patient. Scott Joslyn 00:06:25 But first and foremost, it is, um, to have a consistent picture Scott Joslyn 00:06:31 for all the various doors that UCI health represents virtually. Scott Joslyn 00:06:35 So to speak, whether it's get an appointment, find Scott Joslyn 00:06:37 out something I have cancer. Scott Joslyn 00:06:39 Um, I'd like to get a consult, whatever that is is to put those Scott Joslyn 00:06:43 together into a series of capabilities that we put inside our website. Scott Joslyn 00:06:47 And the challenge is one to get them done. Scott Joslyn 00:06:50 Secondly, To array them in such a way that it's a somewhat seamless experience. Scott Joslyn 00:06:55 And I have tried, and we are starting to crest the issue of, for example, we only Scott Joslyn 00:07:01 want you to be a stranger once I want to remember you just the way United remembers Scott Joslyn 00:07:07 me or fidelity remembers me, or for that matter, the water company remembers me. Scott Joslyn 00:07:12 When I come back, we don't do that. Scott Joslyn 00:07:15 Good a job at healthcare, but we also have lots and lots of doors. Scott Joslyn 00:07:18 So I think that's first and foremost, As part of the experience thing is like, Scott Joslyn 00:07:22 we remember you, we value your time. Scott Joslyn 00:07:25 We don't want you to have to repeat yourself. Scott Joslyn 00:07:28 And I'll set in set aside intake forms. Scott Joslyn 00:07:30 Those are pain in the neck as well. Scott Joslyn 00:07:31 You have to fill this out multiple times. Scott Joslyn 00:07:33 We need to solve those problems. Scott Joslyn 00:07:35 That bothers patients experience matters and drives our clinicians nuts. Bill Russell 00:07:40 Yeah. Bill Russell 00:07:41 I, I do want to talk about your first hundred days, but I also want to Bill Russell 00:07:44 talk about the new facility because from time to time, I run into people Bill Russell 00:07:48 that are doing new facilities. Bill Russell 00:07:50 And the biggest challenge with the new facility is it's new on the day it was Bill Russell 00:07:54 opened, but how do you keep it fresh? Bill Russell 00:07:56 You know, how do you, how do you plan for what it needs to be? Bill Russell 00:08:00 You're going to have it done in four and a half years. Bill Russell 00:08:02 How do you plan for what it needs to be 10 years from now, or even 15 years from now? Bill Russell 00:08:07 And is that even possible? Bill Russell 00:08:08 And, and what's, what's your thought process going Scott Joslyn 00:08:10 into that? Scott Joslyn 00:08:11 Well, it, um, I think first, the first thing is to recognize. Scott Joslyn 00:08:18 And you may recall on my presentation this morning, one of my fears is how do Scott Joslyn 00:08:23 we avoid building a new old hospital? Scott Joslyn 00:08:26 We have to think outside the box and are there ways that we can Scott Joslyn 00:08:32 keep it competitive, so to speak. Scott Joslyn 00:08:35 And I don't mean so much competitive with others, but on par with all the new Scott Joslyn 00:08:41 capabilities that are there, we can't rebuild the facility in room sizes will Scott Joslyn 00:08:46 be room sizes, but we know there'll be. Scott Joslyn 00:08:48 But what's in the patient room and how the patient room functions Scott Joslyn 00:08:52 is going to evolve over time. Scott Joslyn 00:08:54 So I don't know other than to one, be aware to have awareness. Scott Joslyn 00:08:58 Secondly, we know that being situationally aware, loaded with sensors, um, and having Scott Joslyn 00:09:06 the ability to run essentially as sort of a factory and all of its various lines. Scott Joslyn 00:09:11 And to watch that factory perform, to look for bottlenecks, cure Scott Joslyn 00:09:15 bottlenecks, and maximize our. Scott Joslyn 00:09:17 For the sake of maximizing the amount of care we can provide. Scott Joslyn 00:09:21 The second part of that is are there pieces of equipment, even Scott Joslyn 00:09:26 something as mundane as a bed that we might think of as a service? Scott Joslyn 00:09:31 Could I have my monitoring from GE or one of the other companies be, um, not Scott Joslyn 00:09:36 just a one-time or periodic capital purchase with follow-on depreciation? Scott Joslyn 00:09:41 Could it be. Scott Joslyn 00:09:43 Something like a subscription or a service now that may have a price Scott Joslyn 00:09:46 premium, that's all to be negotiated. Scott Joslyn 00:09:49 But the idea is, is to keep pace with Phillips or Spacelabs or one of the Scott Joslyn 00:09:56 other monitoring companies so that we are using relatively new equipment Scott Joslyn 00:10:01 all the time on a continuous basis. Scott Joslyn 00:10:04 So maybe the facilities will look different, but by and Scott Joslyn 00:10:06 large, you know, patient will be a patient room, but we want. Scott Joslyn 00:10:10 The technology in those rooms fresh. Scott Joslyn 00:10:13 Um, and I think a lot of it's now going to be behind the scenes and virtual. Scott Joslyn 00:10:19 So it's less physical, it's more virtual. Bill Russell 00:10:21 Uh, the thing I liked about your presentation this morning Bill Russell 00:10:23 is you have so many years under you. Bill Russell 00:10:26 Somebody who walked into what you walked into probably Bill Russell 00:10:28 would be a little overwhelmed. Bill Russell 00:10:30 And you're just looking at it going. Bill Russell 00:10:32 I've seen a lot of this before. Bill Russell 00:10:33 I know what it looks like to build a building. Bill Russell 00:10:35 I know that I know the challenges and the ramification. Bill Russell 00:10:38 Um, but it was interesting how you touched on so many different things you Bill Russell 00:10:42 touched on, uh, on innovation, innovation framework, you touched on, uh, labor, Bill Russell 00:10:47 labor challenges, how you're doing that you touched on, uh, not only the facility. Bill Russell 00:10:53 Yeah. Bill Russell 00:10:53 We're building silly, but we're also keeping an eye on hospitals and Bill Russell 00:10:55 we're advancing in hospital at home. Bill Russell 00:10:57 And those kinds of things, just keeping an eye on those Bill Russell 00:10:59 companies and what's going on. Bill Russell 00:11:00 Um, you know, you, you were active in the conference. Bill Russell 00:11:04 Around clinical innovation as well, clinical automation as well. Bill Russell 00:11:09 Um, do you think there's something that comes with having Bill Russell 00:11:11 done this for so many years? Bill Russell 00:11:13 Is it your clinical background or is it just having done this for so many years, Bill Russell 00:11:17 you're able to, to not get overwhelmed by it because there is a lot going on. Bill Russell 00:11:22 It's funny. Bill Russell 00:11:22 Every time I ask a CIO what's top of mind, I get different answers every day. Bill Russell 00:11:26 It's kind of amazing. Bill Russell 00:11:28 Well, Scott Joslyn 00:11:29 it's hard to pick one thing. Scott Joslyn 00:11:30 Um, I think he experienced really bad. Scott Joslyn 00:11:33 Long ago I practiced pharmacy. Scott Joslyn 00:11:35 I know what the physicians do. Scott Joslyn 00:11:37 I can generally speak their language. Scott Joslyn 00:11:39 A degree in business helps to understand marketing or for that matter, even Scott Joslyn 00:11:42 micro economics, some of the theories behind outsourcing, for example, um, Scott Joslyn 00:11:47 and then, you know, having programmed and does some things like that. Scott Joslyn 00:11:49 I have some vague recollection of technology and frankly, that's Scott Joslyn 00:11:52 probably one of my weakest spots, but there's good people to do that. Scott Joslyn 00:11:55 But I think it's just years of experience. Scott Joslyn 00:11:57 And as I cited in the presentation this morning, I grew up in a period of time Scott Joslyn 00:12:02 where there was self-development followed by best of breed systems, followed Scott Joslyn 00:12:07 by monolithic systems, such as epic. Scott Joslyn 00:12:10 And now in the current period, which has almost like another big Scott Joslyn 00:12:14 sea change to where the EHR is obviously critically important. Scott Joslyn 00:12:18 Its footprint has expanded. Scott Joslyn 00:12:20 It's helped. Scott Joslyn 00:12:22 Organize the various departmental systems into a single thing. Scott Joslyn 00:12:25 And it's no longer complete in that. Scott Joslyn 00:12:28 So much of the data lives outside of the HR. Scott Joslyn 00:12:31 So not to subvert it, but it's to surround it. Scott Joslyn 00:12:34 And it almost looks to some degree like best of breed again. Scott Joslyn 00:12:38 Um, I actually think it's two things going on, right. Scott Joslyn 00:12:42 As I use the phrase, creative assembly, it is going out and picking partners Scott Joslyn 00:12:47 and others to augment my EHR, to be more complete across multiple venues of care, Scott Joslyn 00:12:52 including things outside the facility. Scott Joslyn 00:12:54 And I think the other thing is happening. Scott Joslyn 00:12:56 It's not like best of breed at all, but super aggregation. Scott Joslyn 00:12:59 It is. Scott Joslyn 00:12:59 And the aggregation relates to data. Scott Joslyn 00:13:01 All of these things that we're putting in place to generate Scott Joslyn 00:13:04 data and to generate signals. Scott Joslyn 00:13:06 And the interesting thing about being part of an academic medical Scott Joslyn 00:13:09 center is the ability to inject. Scott Joslyn 00:13:12 The signals and scale and begin to look for signals in the noise. Scott Joslyn 00:13:15 So that's a by-product of having these systems is that we're generating Scott Joslyn 00:13:19 data, um, about our operational environment to, for example, do a Scott Joslyn 00:13:24 better job at predicting readmission. Scott Joslyn 00:13:27 Every readmission costs us, or basically I'm sorry. Scott Joslyn 00:13:31 Every 0.1% improvement in readmission is about a four or $500,000 impact Scott Joslyn 00:13:38 to our bottom line in our interest. Scott Joslyn 00:13:41 Economically is in our interest for the sake of the patient. Scott Joslyn 00:13:45 You know, we don't want them coming back, coming back as an error. Scott Joslyn 00:13:48 That's why it is the way it is and regulation. Scott Joslyn 00:13:50 So I, remote monitoring program, for example, or our mobile urgent care Scott Joslyn 00:13:55 is to have people go home safely and don't allow them to decompensate Scott Joslyn 00:14:00 and attempt the problem immediately. Scott Joslyn 00:14:01 It's in their interest, it's in our interest. Bill Russell 00:14:04 So you were one of the early adopters of epic. Bill Russell 00:14:10 Kudos for that. Bill Russell 00:14:11 I guess my question is in this best of breed world, what's the, what's the move. Bill Russell 00:14:16 Now that a CIO is making that you're maybe 10 years from now, Bill Russell 00:14:20 I'm interviewing them going. Bill Russell 00:14:21 You were the first one to make the move there or whatever. Bill Russell 00:14:24 What's that, what's that thing that you're looking at going? Bill Russell 00:14:26 Is it, is it these data aggregation platforms? Bill Russell 00:14:29 Is it, is it, um, you know, the, the, uh, computer vision? Bill Russell 00:14:34 I mean, what, what is it that you're looking at going? Bill Russell 00:14:36 This could, this could fundamentally. Bill Russell 00:14:38 Change some things, how we, how we practice healthcare. Scott Joslyn 00:14:44 Um, well I think it's in the area of AI and with that Scott Joslyn 00:14:48 almost by definition, data aggregation or AI operates and does well when Scott Joslyn 00:14:53 it's able to see a bunch of data. Scott Joslyn 00:14:54 Now we've heard in the presentation today, the, depending on how you Scott Joslyn 00:14:59 approach AI, it doesn't always take billions and billions of records. Scott Joslyn 00:15:02 It depends on how you do it, but I think it's AI and. Scott Joslyn 00:15:07 Along with that, what we've heard. Scott Joslyn 00:15:09 And from gardener, for example, in the real-time health system, isn't an Scott Joslyn 00:15:13 environment that's situationally aware. Scott Joslyn 00:15:16 What does that mean? Scott Joslyn 00:15:17 There's sensors and it's not, we're trying to spy on people. Scott Joslyn 00:15:21 It is more about what's going on. Scott Joslyn 00:15:23 What can the computer tell us about the activities in the medical center? Scott Joslyn 00:15:28 What's the patient doing? Scott Joslyn 00:15:29 Are they turning off in enough? Scott Joslyn 00:15:31 Do they present a false. Scott Joslyn 00:15:33 Um, what does that tell us about the care and can we optimize it, Scott Joslyn 00:15:37 but it's the changes going on? Scott Joslyn 00:15:39 I think in the area of automation, which along with it means computer Scott Joslyn 00:15:42 vision, um, are decided, for example, Bill Russell 00:15:48 I know it's getting loud around us. Scott Joslyn 00:15:50 That's right. Scott Joslyn 00:15:50 Um, they're working on a new chip that actually can smell now. Scott Joslyn 00:15:55 Humans can smell pseudomonas and dogs can smell. Scott Joslyn 00:16:00 Um, and so what else can be, it's another sense beyond envision or in the case Scott Joslyn 00:16:07 of artist's side hearing, which we've seen at epic to be able to automatically Scott Joslyn 00:16:11 do the note with through NLP. Scott Joslyn 00:16:13 Now you have the idea of even being able to smell in the environment. Scott Joslyn 00:16:17 So I think it is the, um, the absorption of that data for the sake of Scott Joslyn 00:16:23 operations, intervention and improved. Scott Joslyn 00:16:27 And then I think it's the collection of that data over time that Scott Joslyn 00:16:32 allow us to find new insights. Scott Joslyn 00:16:35 Um, there's all kinds of debate in the literature about sepsis, for example, Scott Joslyn 00:16:39 what's the best algorithm for that. Scott Joslyn 00:16:41 And there's some debates among the HR vendors as to whether they have Scott Joslyn 00:16:44 something better than somebody else. Scott Joslyn 00:16:45 But nevertheless, there are things that are possible. Scott Joslyn 00:16:49 And I remember my days, a pharmacy that changes a shift, a nurse Scott Joslyn 00:16:54 would say, who'd been on all night. Scott Joslyn 00:16:56 I'm in my patient's going to crash. Scott Joslyn 00:16:58 What do you mean? Scott Joslyn 00:16:59 Well, the chances are they're going to code she, or he couldn't Scott Joslyn 00:17:03 really tell you why it was the 15 or 20 years of experience they had. Scott Joslyn 00:17:07 They could see something. Scott Joslyn 00:17:10 Now the computer can see that often in the physiological monitors, temperature, Scott Joslyn 00:17:14 pulse, and respiration, respiration changes that are very subtle collectively Scott Joslyn 00:17:18 together that are seen by instruments. Scott Joslyn 00:17:20 Can now do those kinds of things. Scott Joslyn 00:17:22 A nurse used to be able to quote, see that it was her. Scott Joslyn 00:17:26 We're now intuitions move to a new level. Scott Joslyn 00:17:30 Some of the other stuff is now done by Peter. Bill Russell 00:17:32 Yeah. Bill Russell 00:17:32 You're you're I mean, I'll close with this. Bill Russell 00:17:35 I mean, the, the amazing thing is how long you've been a CIO? Bill Russell 00:17:39 Um, I know, you know, I did it for, I guess I was there for about Bill Russell 00:17:44 six and a half years or so six years, six and a half as a interim. Bill Russell 00:17:48 And then as a full-time it takes a toll. Bill Russell 00:17:52 I mean, I, when I sort of stepped out. Bill Russell 00:17:55 Uh, there was a period of time where I'm going back to almost where I started Bill Russell 00:17:59 with you, which is, um, how do you coach CEOs today to say, look, I know it feels Bill Russell 00:18:07 like the weight of the world is on you because you have to look at supply chain. Bill Russell 00:18:10 You have to look at administrative, you have flooding clinical, you have Bill Russell 00:18:14 to keep these systems running your cybersecurity of all these things. Bill Russell 00:18:17 How do, how do you balance it? Bill Russell 00:18:19 Cause you, you know, you're not overweight. Bill Russell 00:18:21 Like a lot of us, you're not. Bill Russell 00:18:24 Um, and you're and you, uh, you know, she stepped out of one CIO role Bill Russell 00:18:28 stepped into another CIO role and it looks like you're ready to go. Scott Joslyn 00:18:34 Well, first of all, I don't think I'm any more overburdened Scott Joslyn 00:18:37 than certainly our CEO is or our CFO. Scott Joslyn 00:18:42 Um, but it's, it's how you, I guess, confront the burden if you will. Scott Joslyn 00:18:47 I, some days. Scott Joslyn 00:18:50 I can't believe I get paid to do what I'm doing. Scott Joslyn 00:18:52 I really like this work and I've done it for a long time, Scott Joslyn 00:18:55 perhaps longer than I should. Scott Joslyn 00:18:56 And it's, there's a whole new crop people that are incredibly bright. Scott Joslyn 00:18:59 Many people in my position now are physicians. Scott Joslyn 00:19:02 So they've got the clinical experience, the diagnostic experience, Scott Joslyn 00:19:05 everything that goes with it. Scott Joslyn 00:19:06 Um, and many of them started out perhaps as an undergrad in engineering. Scott Joslyn 00:19:11 But you know, if you really like your work, it, it, it, it, I Scott Joslyn 00:19:16 don't find it burdening to me. Scott Joslyn 00:19:17 I just think it's fast. Scott Joslyn 00:19:20 I also like to create, um, and I was fortunate to have good leadership Scott Joslyn 00:19:24 at my old place and in my new place. Scott Joslyn 00:19:26 Um, and I got new experiences. Scott Joslyn 00:19:28 I mean, I, over, I was asked to oversee research. Scott Joslyn 00:19:31 I was asked to oversee master planning. Scott Joslyn 00:19:33 Um, I was an advisor to, for a short period and I said, I wanted Scott Joslyn 00:19:36 to be on the venture capital board. Scott Joslyn 00:19:38 And I helped put our VC board together at Memorial care with Cedar Scott Joslyn 00:19:41 Sinai and summation health ventures. Scott Joslyn 00:19:43 And we just now put together a term sheet, um, to do that Scott Joslyn 00:19:46 kind of work inside UC health. Scott Joslyn 00:19:49 So we're, um, I think it's, it's, it's allowing yourself to not be confined Scott Joslyn 00:19:58 your role, take care of the basics. Scott Joslyn 00:20:00 You know, as I said this morning, the CIO though always wants to be at the Scott Joslyn 00:20:03 strategy table or whatever, you know, you don't get there until, you know, Scott Joslyn 00:20:07 the email works and the servers don't go down and your cybersecurity programs in Scott Joslyn 00:20:10 place, you needed to get the basics done. Scott Joslyn 00:20:12 That's your job one. Scott Joslyn 00:20:14 But as you get things under control and you build things, Scott Joslyn 00:20:17 then the chance to create. Scott Joslyn 00:20:19 And I think in my environment, I'm I was asked by the C E O to look at innovation Scott Joslyn 00:20:24 as well, because we need to do it. Scott Joslyn 00:20:26 I like to do it. Scott Joslyn 00:20:27 It suits me. Scott Joslyn 00:20:28 Um, and, but more importantly, the organization needs it. Scott Joslyn 00:20:31 So it's all, it's all applying technology and just new ways. Scott Joslyn 00:20:35 Yep. Bill Russell 00:20:35 Scott, thanks for the time. Bill Russell 00:20:36 It sounds like the session is starting, so we'll get back Scott Joslyn 00:20:38 up there. Scott Joslyn 00:20:39 That's great. Scott Joslyn 00:20:39 Thanks. Bill Russell 00:20:40 Don't forget to check back as we have more of these interviews Bill Russell 00:20:43 coming to you, that's all for today. Bill Russell 00:20:45 If you know of someone that might benefit from our channel, Bill Russell 00:20:47 please forward them a note. Bill Russell 00:20:48 They can subscribe on our website this week, health.com or wherever you listen Bill Russell 00:20:52 to podcasts, apple, Google, overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, you get the picture. Bill Russell 00:20:56 We are everywhere. Bill Russell 00:20:58 We want to thank our channel sponsors who are investing in our mission to Bill Russell 00:21:00 develop the next generation of health. Bill Russell 00:21:03 VMware Hill-Rom Starbridge advisors, McAfee and Aruba networks. 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