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Top of Mind #1 – Staff: Retention, Competition for and Development

Questions answered in this episode

  1. Why is a 100% staff retention rate actually a sign of poor development?
  2. How do you identify which staff members you cannot afford to lose?
  3. What matters more than salary when retaining healthcare IT talent?
  4. How can healthcare organizations build a pipeline of early-career talent?
  5. Why are your current employees your best recruitment tool?

About this episode

Final week of shows for the year. This Week we take a look at the top 5 issues/challenges and opportunities facing Healthcare CIOs. Today we start with staffing. I hope you enjoy.

Transcript

Speaker 00:00:03 Today in health, it, we start down our list of the top five things that Speaker 00:00:06 are top of mind for healthcare CEOs. Speaker 00:00:09 And today. Speaker 00:00:10 The conversation is about labor. Speaker 00:00:12 It's about staff. Speaker 00:00:13 It's about the competition for staff. Speaker 00:00:14 That's what we're going to talk about. Speaker 00:00:16 My name is bill Russell. Speaker 00:00:17 I'm a former CIO for a 16 hospital system. Speaker 00:00:19 And creator this weekend. Speaker 00:00:20 It a channel dedicated to keeping health it staff current and engaged. Speaker 00:00:25 All right. Speaker 00:00:26 A couple of things I want to cover before we get to this topic. Speaker 00:00:29 If you're unaware, we have launched four channels for Speaker 00:00:31 2022 this week health academy. Speaker 00:00:34 This week health community, this week health conference Speaker 00:00:36 and this week health news. Speaker 00:00:39 All right, so we have four channels for next year. Speaker 00:00:42 Let me give you a little rundown of each one. Speaker 00:00:43 Here's what I want you to do. Speaker 00:00:44 I want you to hit the website. Speaker 00:00:46 Click on them and go ahead and subscribe to the new channels. Speaker 00:00:49 You can subscribe to all of them except for community and academy on iTunes. Speaker 00:00:54 We're still waiting for those to be approved for some reason, but hopefully Speaker 00:00:57 there'll be approved this week and you can subscribe to them there. Speaker 00:00:59 Let me tell you about each one. Speaker 00:01:01 News is about the news. Speaker 00:01:02 It's going to be the today show and the new stay show shows that have Speaker 00:01:05 been very successful on our channels. Speaker 00:01:07 And I look forward to you subscribing to that. Speaker 00:01:10 And keeping up to date on the news conference is, we want to develop a Speaker 00:01:15 channel that is a year long conference. Speaker 00:01:17 It's just keeps going. Speaker 00:01:19 And we're going to have a show called keynote, where we have keynote Speaker 00:01:21 speakers and we talked to them for. Speaker 00:01:23 You know, 45, 50 minutes here, what's going on in their world. Speaker 00:01:26 How they're impacting health. Speaker 00:01:27 It. Speaker 00:01:28 , this is going to be about the intersection of healthcare and Speaker 00:01:30 technology and how things are shaping up. Speaker 00:01:34 , we're also going to do solution showcases, which think about that as Speaker 00:01:36 the walk of the floor, to look at the different solutions that are available. Speaker 00:01:40 This week health community is a new channel for us. Speaker 00:01:43 Here for the first time we're going to have guest hosts and they are going to Speaker 00:01:46 bring their own guests onto the show. Speaker 00:01:49 So this is going to be. Speaker 00:01:50 , a channel that is community based and focus. Speaker 00:01:54 We want to go a little deeper in this show. Speaker 00:01:55 We want people to be talking to a frontline people who are Speaker 00:01:59 working with,, analytics, clinical informatics data, you name it. Speaker 00:02:03 , but this is the show. Speaker 00:02:04 We're going to be hearing that three times a week or twice a week. Speaker 00:02:06 Tuesday, Thursday is the community show and we have some guest hosts Speaker 00:02:10 already lined up and we have more invitations out there and you Speaker 00:02:14 can, can subscribe to that as well. Speaker 00:02:16 And this week health academy is where you go to get educated Speaker 00:02:19 on healthcare and healthcare. Speaker 00:02:20 It. Speaker 00:02:21 Our first show in there is going to be insights. Speaker 00:02:24 It's going to air on Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Speaker 00:02:26 What we heard from you is that you use our show to bring new people into the Speaker 00:02:30 industry up to speed quickly, and that it isn't a very effective way to do that. Speaker 00:02:34 Here's what we're going to do. Speaker 00:02:35 We're going to take excerpts from our first four and a half years of shows. Speaker 00:02:40 We're going to take the highlights and we're going to put them Speaker 00:02:41 into a show called insights. Speaker 00:02:43 It's going to air Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Speaker 00:02:45 How are, do you see that as people who are new to the industry, or if you're Speaker 00:02:48 mentoring, somebody have them listen to that show, listen along with them Speaker 00:02:51 and tell them, you know, what your thoughts are on it and bring them Speaker 00:02:55 up to speed on what you're doing. Speaker 00:02:56 You can subscribe to any of these shows, go to this week. Speaker 00:02:59 health.com. Speaker 00:03:00 And on the homepage, there's the four shows right there. Speaker 00:03:03 You could also go to this week, health.com/shows and subscribe Speaker 00:03:07 there, or anywhere you listen to podcasts, you could do it there. Speaker 00:03:10 All right. Speaker 00:03:11 Let's get to today's topic. Speaker 00:03:12 The top of mind issues for health it execs. Speaker 00:03:16 And if you remember, we sorta laid them out. Speaker 00:03:18 There was labor was number one, cybersecurity. Speaker 00:03:19 Number two. Speaker 00:03:20 All things digital, number three, automation was number four and caravan Speaker 00:03:25 used to change and care vendors. Speaker 00:03:26 It's number five every day. Speaker 00:03:27 This week, I'm going to be touching on one of these and talking Speaker 00:03:30 about what I would do as a CIO. Speaker 00:03:32 Based on what I'm hearing from the CIS. Speaker 00:03:34 So let's talk about number one. Speaker 00:03:35 It is labor, and this is the competition for staff. Speaker 00:03:39 It's about retention. Speaker 00:03:40 It's about attracting new staff, all things having to do with staff. Speaker 00:03:43 There is a significant competition that's going on for staff right now. Speaker 00:03:48 Here's how I'm going to break this particular one down for you. Speaker 00:03:52 Number one, we're going to be looking at. Speaker 00:03:55 , retention, then we're going to be looking at attracting and finding new talent. Speaker 00:04:00 And then the final thing I want to talk about is developing staff. Speaker 00:04:04 Okay. Speaker 00:04:04 So let's talk about retention. Speaker 00:04:06 I think a 0% retention goal is a bad goal. Speaker 00:04:09 I've always thought it was a bad goal. Speaker 00:04:11 And I know some of the things I'm going to say here might ruffle some feathers, Speaker 00:04:14 but this is just the way I think about it. Speaker 00:04:16 Adapt it to how you think about it. Speaker 00:04:18 A 0% retention rate tells me you're not developing people. Speaker 00:04:21 If you're developing people, they should be in high demand Speaker 00:04:25 outside of your four walls. Speaker 00:04:27 And quite frankly, you're going to lose some of them. Speaker 00:04:30 You should lose some of them. Speaker 00:04:31 It's okay to lose some of them. Speaker 00:04:33 , the only way to get a 0% retention rate is to hire people , pay them well above Speaker 00:04:37 what they're worth or hire them well beyond what their capabilities are, or to Speaker 00:04:43 not develop any staff and not make them more valuable than the day they started. Speaker 00:04:47 With your organization. Speaker 00:04:48 So again, 0% retention rate is not a good retention rate. Speaker 00:04:51 So you're going to lose some people let's assume. Speaker 00:04:54 90% retention is a good retention number. Speaker 00:04:57 If you're going to lose 10% of your staff, you should know which staff. Speaker 00:05:00 You are going to struggle if you lose. Speaker 00:05:02 Right. Speaker 00:05:03 So I always, in my mind, Alyssa people that I could not afford Speaker 00:05:07 to lose as an organization. Speaker 00:05:08 And so I have talked to some people who have lost key staff recently, you know, Speaker 00:05:13 the person who, really knows the network inside and out, who knows all the routes, Speaker 00:05:17 who knows how all the,, the V LANs are set up and all that kind of stuff. Speaker 00:05:21 Not that you couldn't recreate that, but that is a, significant Speaker 00:05:24 role in some organizations. Speaker 00:05:25 You need to know who those people are, just do it once twos and threes. Speaker 00:05:29 If you lost them, ones are, if you lost them, you would struggle. Speaker 00:05:33 You'd have to pay a consultant to come in. Speaker 00:05:35 You would have to, uh, potentially pay a recruiter to find somebody. Speaker 00:05:39 If there are ones you need to make sure you're taking care of your ones Speaker 00:05:42 need to make sure they are connected to you, connected to the organization. Speaker 00:05:46 That they are being taken care of, that they are being paid. Speaker 00:05:49 Appropriately for the role that they're doing within your organization, Speaker 00:05:53 that they clearly understand. Speaker 00:05:55 The lines of communication that they clearly understand what's expected of Speaker 00:05:59 them, that they clearly understand what's next for them, with my ones, actually, Speaker 00:06:03 with everyone in my organization. Speaker 00:06:05 I want it to be able to ask them what's next in your career and Speaker 00:06:08 I wanted to get a very crisp answer from them. Speaker 00:06:11 Part of that was my job. Speaker 00:06:12 As the leader, I needed to make sure that the career tracks were very well Speaker 00:06:16 understood and I needed to make sure that the managers were having conversations Speaker 00:06:20 with each individual employee to make sure that they understood why or they Speaker 00:06:25 wanted to go within the organization and that they were developing them, Speaker 00:06:28 that they were investing in them in ways that were going Speaker 00:06:30 to get them to the next level. Speaker 00:06:32 One of the biggest problems we have is that people always think it's about money. Speaker 00:06:35 It's not always about money. Speaker 00:06:37 Sometimes it's about the manager that they have. Speaker 00:06:38 Sometimes it's about the culture. Speaker 00:06:40 Sometimes it's about, they just don't know where what's next for them. Speaker 00:06:43 And so they start looking outside your organization. Speaker 00:06:46 If you don't make it clear, what's next for them within your organization, Speaker 00:06:49 they're going to find somewhere else to go outside your organization. Speaker 00:06:51 All right. Speaker 00:06:52 So retention, you have to be clear with them. Speaker 00:06:55 What's next? Speaker 00:06:56 You have to pay them accordingly and you have to create the right structure. Speaker 00:07:00 If they have a bad manager, that's on you. Speaker 00:07:02 You've got to do something about bad managers. Speaker 00:07:04 , we did, poll surveys on a regular basis. Speaker 00:07:07 And you could almost identify the bad managers within our department. Speaker 00:07:11 Now we had, 600 to 700, some odd people in the organization. Speaker 00:07:15 And you could just look at the responses and say, okay, Speaker 00:07:18 There's a group of people here that are really not happy. Speaker 00:07:21 Oh my gosh. Speaker 00:07:22 They report to two managers. Speaker 00:07:24 , so that is. Speaker 00:07:25 Generally an indicator. Speaker 00:07:27 All right, let's talk about the competition for staff. Speaker 00:07:29 We just did two great shows from the healthcare to healthcare event. Speaker 00:07:31 We did one with Doug king CIO of Northwestern medicine, and he Speaker 00:07:34 talked about what they are doing to. Speaker 00:07:38 , bring new talent into their organization. Speaker 00:07:40 If you haven't listened to that show, listen to it. Speaker 00:07:42 They've built a really good pipeline of people coming into their organization. Speaker 00:07:46 Young people, smart people, talented people. Speaker 00:07:49 , they're focused on diversity. Speaker 00:07:50 They're focused on, , Getting people early so that they don't, they're not inhibited Speaker 00:07:55 by what they have learned somewhere else. Speaker 00:07:57 So you get new thinking. Speaker 00:07:59 , new approaches. Speaker 00:08:00 They're tied into the universities and colleges and they're pulling people out. Speaker 00:08:04 Directly. Speaker 00:08:04 So, he shared a lot of things that they're doing it. Speaker 00:08:06 Northwestern medicine. Speaker 00:08:08 And I think it's valuable for any CIO to take a listen to that episode. Speaker 00:08:11 It's one of the today shows it was from November 15th. Speaker 00:08:16 All right. Speaker 00:08:17 The other one was November 10th. Speaker 00:08:18 It was also from the health care to health care event. Speaker 00:08:20 It was Stephanie Lahr with monument health, and she talks about culture. Speaker 00:08:24 Developing a good culture. Speaker 00:08:25 In a remote world. Speaker 00:08:27 And how important is to do that. Speaker 00:08:28 Not only to retain your existing staff, but to attract new staff into that. Speaker 00:08:33 , when people come into a vibrant culture and exciting culture, they Speaker 00:08:37 make connections very quickly. Speaker 00:08:39 They feel at home and it's a place that they want to stay Speaker 00:08:41 and you know, what else they do. Speaker 00:08:42 They tell other people about it. Speaker 00:08:44 , whenever I'm talking to people about. Speaker 00:08:46 Finding new talent, really attracting new talent. Speaker 00:08:49 If you like the people who work for you. Speaker 00:08:51 They are the best way to go about getting additional talent Speaker 00:08:55 within your organization. Speaker 00:08:57 Now, if they aren't saying good things about working in your organization, Speaker 00:08:59 you've got another set of problems, but generally speaking, if you Speaker 00:09:03 can get your staff excited about working where they are working today. Speaker 00:09:08 They will know people in the industry. Speaker 00:09:10 And if they don't know people in industry, you're doing a bad job, developing them. Speaker 00:09:13 You need to introduce them to other people in the industry. Speaker 00:09:16 But at this point when you're having a battle for staff, your Speaker 00:09:20 staff is your best ambassadors. Speaker 00:09:22 Your staff is the best. Speaker 00:09:24 I don't know a Sherlock out there. Speaker 00:09:26 They're going to be the ones who find a new talent to bring them in. Speaker 00:09:29 Plus the stuff that Doug talks about creating a pipeline. Speaker 00:09:33 Uh, all the way back to high school, they're bringing in a high Speaker 00:09:36 school kids and giving them a great experience at Northwestern medicine. Speaker 00:09:40 So that's, , you know, we talked about retention. Speaker 00:09:42 We talk about the competition for staff. Speaker 00:09:46 You've got to make your place a great place to work. Speaker 00:09:48 You've got to use your staff to find new staff. Speaker 00:09:50 And you've got to be working on great projects. Speaker 00:09:52 So you have to take the mundane tasks. Speaker 00:09:55 We've been talking about this for years. Speaker 00:09:57 For some reason we haven't made as much progress as we need to Speaker 00:09:59 make, which is we've got to take the mundane tasks and we've got Speaker 00:10:02 to automate the heck out of them. Speaker 00:10:04 And then we've got to take that off of people's plate. Speaker 00:10:06 We can't keep putting mundane stuff on them and then saying, come work here. Speaker 00:10:09 We're doing great stuff. Speaker 00:10:11 , we may be doing great stuff, but it's in that department over Speaker 00:10:13 there, or that department over there, it's not necessarily. Speaker 00:10:16 Here. Speaker 00:10:17 What you want is , you want to take that mundane stuff off the plate and say, look, Speaker 00:10:21 we are working on the next generation. Speaker 00:10:23 Of cloud for healthcare and it sort of looks like this. Speaker 00:10:26 You need, something that's going to, that's going to catch Speaker 00:10:29 people's eyes and bring them in. Speaker 00:10:32 Let's talk about developing staff. Speaker 00:10:33 You have to develop your staff. Speaker 00:10:35 And I've, I've talked about this a couple of times on the show, but you Speaker 00:10:39 can't send all of them to conferences. Speaker 00:10:40 You can send all of them to training. Speaker 00:10:42 So what are you going to do? Speaker 00:10:43 And the answer to that is you've got to figure out a way. Speaker 00:10:47 To invest in your staff and create a mentoring program. Speaker 00:10:52 Everybody in your organization who wants to be mentored should be mentored. Speaker 00:10:56 And you have to define what mentoring is and mentoring can be as simple as, Speaker 00:11:01 sharing your connections, sharing your experience, sharing your knowledge, Speaker 00:11:05 and creating an environment where they can take risks, where they Speaker 00:11:08 can go out and try the next thing. Speaker 00:11:10 And you can be there alongside of them To make sure that they don't fail and Speaker 00:11:14 to make sure that they are picking up and learning the right things. Speaker 00:11:18 You are going to help somebody to take the next step in their career. Speaker 00:11:21 Everyone should have that opportunity within your organization. Speaker 00:11:23 If you don't, you're just asking for trouble. Speaker 00:11:25 You're just asking for people to leave. Speaker 00:11:28 One of the reasons we developed this channel on this show. Speaker 00:11:31 Is because there are 700 people in my organization. Speaker 00:11:36 I couldn't send them all to classes. Speaker 00:11:37 I couldn't mentor them all. Speaker 00:11:39 And I wanted them to experience the conversations I was having at Speaker 00:11:42 the conferences with other CEOs. Speaker 00:11:45 And so I started to do these interviews so that they could Speaker 00:11:48 have access to these things. Speaker 00:11:49 Mentoring, somebody could be as simple as listening to the show with them Speaker 00:11:52 and having a conversation with them. Speaker 00:11:54 And you can pick the shows you want to have. Speaker 00:11:56 We've done 450 of them. Speaker 00:11:57 And you can pick the ones that are specific to data, clinical informatics, Speaker 00:12:01 cybersecurity, whatever topic you want, or the people you think might be interesting. Speaker 00:12:06 You might want to talk to them about what they're doing at Intermountain Speaker 00:12:09 or what they're doing at. Speaker 00:12:11 , NYU Lango and or what they're doing at, you know, fill in the blank. Speaker 00:12:14 We've talked to a lot of different health systems, a lot of different CEOs. Speaker 00:12:17 A lot of different perspectives and that's another way to mentor people and Speaker 00:12:20 you've got to be developing your people. Speaker 00:12:21 If you don't, you're just asking for trouble. Speaker 00:12:24 Well, that's all for today. Speaker 00:12:26 If you know of anyone that might benefit from our channel, like say Speaker 00:12:28 someone you're trying to mentor, they can subscribe on our website this week. Speaker 00:12:31 health.com. Speaker 00:12:33 We want to thank our channel sponsors who are investing in our mission to Speaker 00:12:36 develop the next generation of leaders. Speaker 00:12:38 VMware Hill-Rom Starbridge advisors, McAfee and Aruba networks. Speaker 00:12:43 Thanks for listening.

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